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	<description>I'm a mere, tiny, insignificant cog in a whole clockwork of stupidity. I'm the tiny cog that wants to break free. Seriously.</description>
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		<title>by: ToeKnee</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-737</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:13:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>well, all my quotes disappeared from my post above (need a &quot;preview&quot; function) - let's try it again with simple italics so it makes better sense:
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&lt;i&gt;Anyway, the founding fathers of the US believed that having an official language probably intervened with the concept of freedom (or something). Even though I’d disagree, I do get where they’re coming from. Basically, the founding fathers didn’t give a rat’s ass as to what language an American would speak.&lt;/i&gt;

I’m not so sure you (or even I, a U.S. citizen) are quaified to speak to the founders intent by not specifying an official language for the U.S. But I think it is more likely that it did not seem to be an issue at that time, since nearly all of the “voting” citizens of the time spoke English as a first language.

In addition, as a decentralized republic, it’s likely that it was an issue thought best left to the states. And, as it turns out, more than half of the states have legislated English as their official language. The U.S. Constitution does say that any powers not expressly granted to the Federal Government are reserved for the states (and/or the “People”).

&lt;i&gt;This goes to show that the freedom you as an American have is absolutely worthless.&lt;/i&gt;

Seems to me like you’ve reached a conclusion based very weakly on fact. It’s OK. I spent more than my fair share of time at universities in the U.S. and in Europe, and I know how it works. I’d recommend, however, that you spend more time postulating about things you know based on experience, such as operating systems and other technical subjects, and stay away from the topics which require more research than reading headlines and chatting with friends in the coffeehouse over a spacecake and a latte.

&lt;i&gt;In the US, freedom ends where it threathens the white populace. Scary.&lt;/i&gt;

Not as scary as the Internet trend that anyone with a weblog is an expert on anything!

P.S. oh, and the whole Israel NNPT thing would require many pages to do it justice. It’s a lot more complicated than your terse summary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>well, all my quotes disappeared from my post above (need a &#8220;preview&#8221; function) - let&#8217;s try it again with simple italics so it makes better sense:<br />
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	<p><i>Anyway, the founding fathers of the US believed that having an official language probably intervened with the concept of freedom (or something). Even though I’d disagree, I do get where they’re coming from. Basically, the founding fathers didn’t give a rat’s ass as to what language an American would speak.</i></p>
	<p>I’m not so sure you (or even I, a U.S. citizen) are quaified to speak to the founders intent by not specifying an official language for the U.S. But I think it is more likely that it did not seem to be an issue at that time, since nearly all of the “voting” citizens of the time spoke English as a first language.</p>
	<p>In addition, as a decentralized republic, it’s likely that it was an issue thought best left to the states. And, as it turns out, more than half of the states have legislated English as their official language. The U.S. Constitution does say that any powers not expressly granted to the Federal Government are reserved for the states (and/or the “People”).</p>
	<p><i>This goes to show that the freedom you as an American have is absolutely worthless.</i></p>
	<p>Seems to me like you’ve reached a conclusion based very weakly on fact. It’s OK. I spent more than my fair share of time at universities in the U.S. and in Europe, and I know how it works. I’d recommend, however, that you spend more time postulating about things you know based on experience, such as operating systems and other technical subjects, and stay away from the topics which require more research than reading headlines and chatting with friends in the coffeehouse over a spacecake and a latte.</p>
	<p><i>In the US, freedom ends where it threathens the white populace. Scary.</i></p>
	<p>Not as scary as the Internet trend that anyone with a weblog is an expert on anything!</p>
	<p>P.S. oh, and the whole Israel NNPT thing would require many pages to do it justice. It’s a lot more complicated than your terse summary.
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		<title>by: ToeKnee</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-736</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:04:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-736</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Anyway, the founding fathers of the US believed that having an official language probably intervened with the concept of freedom (or something). Even though I’d disagree, I do get where they’re coming from. Basically, the founding fathers didn’t give a rat’s ass as to what language an American would speak.&quot;&gt;

I'm not so sure you (or even I, a U.S. citizen) are quaified to speak to the founders intent by not specifying an official language for the U.S. But I think it is more likely that it did not seem to be an issue at that time, since nearly all of the &quot;voting&quot; citizens of the time spoke English as a first language. 

In addition, as a decentralized republic, it's likely that it was an issue thought best left to the states. And, as it turns out, more than half of the states have legislated English as their official language. The U.S. Constitution does say that any powers not expressly granted to the Federal Government are reserved for the states (and/or the &quot;People&quot;).

&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;This goes to show that the freedom you as an American have is absolutely worthless.&quot;&gt;

Seems to me like you've reached a conclusion based very weakly on fact. It's OK. I spent more than my fair share of time at universities in the U.S. and in Europe, and I know how it works. I'd recommend, however, that you spend more time postulating about things you know based on experience, such as operating systems and other technical subjects, and stay away from the topics which require more research than reading headlines and chatting with friends in the coffeehouse over a spacecake and a latte. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;In the US, freedom ends where it threathens the white populace. Scary.&quot;&gt;

Not as scary as the Internet trend that anyone with a weblog is an expert on anything!

P.S. oh, and the whole Israel NNPT thing would require many pages to do it justice. It's a lot more complicated than your terse summary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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	<p>I&#8217;m not so sure you (or even I, a U.S. citizen) are quaified to speak to the founders intent by not specifying an official language for the U.S. But I think it is more likely that it did not seem to be an issue at that time, since nearly all of the &#8220;voting&#8221; citizens of the time spoke English as a first language. </p>
	<p>In addition, as a decentralized republic, it&#8217;s likely that it was an issue thought best left to the states. And, as it turns out, more than half of the states have legislated English as their official language. The U.S. Constitution does say that any powers not expressly granted to the Federal Government are reserved for the states (and/or the &#8220;People&#8221;).</p>
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	<p>Seems to me like you&#8217;ve reached a conclusion based very weakly on fact. It&#8217;s OK. I spent more than my fair share of time at universities in the U.S. and in Europe, and I know how it works. I&#8217;d recommend, however, that you spend more time postulating about things you know based on experience, such as operating systems and other technical subjects, and stay away from the topics which require more research than reading headlines and chatting with friends in the coffeehouse over a spacecake and a latte. </p>
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	<blockquote cite="In the US, freedom ends where it threathens the white populace. Scary.">
	<p>Not as scary as the Internet trend that anyone with a weblog is an expert on anything!</p>
	<p>P.S. oh, and the whole Israel NNPT thing would require many pages to do it justice. It&#8217;s a lot more complicated than your terse summary.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: phil</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-735</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:12:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The US has a rather long history of non-integration, we integrate/adapt to cultures that bring monetary wealth and northern european heritage with them and pretty much fcuk over everyone else. I like your views Thom, maybe because i was brought up by good socialist Dutch immigrants :) keep up the great work at osnews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The US has a rather long history of non-integration, we integrate/adapt to cultures that bring monetary wealth and northern european heritage with them and pretty much fcuk over everyone else. I like your views Thom, maybe because i was brought up by good socialist Dutch immigrants :) keep up the great work at osnews!
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		<title>by: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-734</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:17:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry to be a little pedantic, it's the &quot;Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty&quot;...

International relations is completely hipocritial. Mind, that Israel is basicly a fortress-state, since it's been attacked/threatened numerous times by its neighbours, ever since it's conception.

As far as I see it, an &quot;Official language&quot; doesn't really matter, so long as there is a de-facto language that most people know (and governmental and other mainstream institutions use it)... In East-Timor, the Government chose Portugese, which was a wrong move, since only an elite few speak it. Contrast to the US, where most speak English (and it's unlikely that it will loose it's role as lingua franca in the US for a while at least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry to be a little pedantic, it&#8217;s the &#8220;Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty&#8221;&#8230;</p>
	<p>International relations is completely hipocritial. Mind, that Israel is basicly a fortress-state, since it&#8217;s been attacked/threatened numerous times by its neighbours, ever since it&#8217;s conception.</p>
	<p>As far as I see it, an &#8220;Official language&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really matter, so long as there is a de-facto language that most people know (and governmental and other mainstream institutions use it)&#8230; In East-Timor, the Government chose Portugese, which was a wrong move, since only an elite few speak it. Contrast to the US, where most speak English (and it&#8217;s unlikely that it will loose it&#8217;s role as lingua franca in the US for a while at least).
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		<title>by: stefan</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-731</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:10:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The real problem in my opinion is integration. US are a country of immigrants. What's different is that until now, the waves of immigration have been integrated into society. Right now, the wave is so big that people don't feel the need to adapt. They can easily get along by speaking Spanish only, from school to grocery shop, to job etc. And this isolates them and creates social problems for us all. And it's nothing racist behind this, more prejudices exist in Europe, and I say this as an European.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The real problem in my opinion is integration. US are a country of immigrants. What&#8217;s different is that until now, the waves of immigration have been integrated into society. Right now, the wave is so big that people don&#8217;t feel the need to adapt. They can easily get along by speaking Spanish only, from school to grocery shop, to job etc. And this isolates them and creates social problems for us all. And it&#8217;s nothing racist behind this, more prejudices exist in Europe, and I say this as an European.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-730</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:01:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Eugenia, read more carefully. I am a PROPONENT of having official languages. I said that VERY CLEARLY in the blog post.

What I wanted to show with this blog post, was that freedom in the United States ends there where it threatens the rich white people. This language thing I mentioned was just proof of this.

ajww: Yup, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cookiesinheaven.com/images/cookies/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;'s your cookie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eugenia, read more carefully. I am a PROPONENT of having official languages. I said that VERY CLEARLY in the blog post.</p>
	<p>What I wanted to show with this blog post, was that freedom in the United States ends there where it threatens the rich white people. This language thing I mentioned was just proof of this.</p>
	<p>ajww: Yup, <a href="http://www.cookiesinheaven.com/images/cookies/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8217;s your cookie.
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		<title>by: ajww</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-729</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:32:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The country is Israel and the Western Worlds bias towards it is well known. 

You owe me two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The country is Israel and the Western Worlds bias towards it is well known. </p>
	<p>You owe me two.
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		<title>by: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/see-the-pattern/#comment-728</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:14:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't agree with you at all. Having an official language is a GOOD thing. Why? Because then everyone can have a language where they can speak with others and understand each other. You see, today in California there are many people who don't speak english at all. They don't care to speak it because they go to spanish schools, or because they never go out of their neighbour. But when these people come of age, and they seek jobs in a store or elsewhere outside of their little community, it's very difficult to give them the job --even if they are hard working-- because simply they can't talk to the customers. ALL citizens of a country must speak the official language, which ever that language might be.

Alternatively, you can have 2 official languages, just like the Swiss have 3. But not having any at all, is problematic. I for one, hail English becoming the official language here and having all citizens speak it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you at all. Having an official language is a GOOD thing. Why? Because then everyone can have a language where they can speak with others and understand each other. You see, today in California there are many people who don&#8217;t speak english at all. They don&#8217;t care to speak it because they go to spanish schools, or because they never go out of their neighbour. But when these people come of age, and they seek jobs in a store or elsewhere outside of their little community, it&#8217;s very difficult to give them the job &#8211;even if they are hard working&#8211; because simply they can&#8217;t talk to the customers. ALL citizens of a country must speak the official language, which ever that language might be.</p>
	<p>Alternatively, you can have 2 official languages, just like the Swiss have 3. But not having any at all, is problematic. I for one, hail English becoming the official language here and having all citizens speak it.
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