As long as the EU sucks Bush’s dick
July 14, 2006Update: Lebanon has asked for a cease-fire, in order to help the people in South Lebanon. They are currently in a “disaster area”, and the people there desperately need food, etc., because Israel has destroyed all roads and bridges and such. This is a nice test for Israel: will they comply, to help the people there? Of course, stopping the bombing and such also gives breathing room for the terrorist people over there. Tough decision, I’d say.
In the meantime, the Arab League has said that the peace process is dead. Come on, as if it has ever been alive.
Also, Israel claims Iran is now involved in the war as well; they claim 200 Iranese military advisors are helping Lebanon. I give Iran and Lebanon the full right to cooperate. If Israel gets the support from the most powerful nations in the world, financially as well as military, why shouldn’t Lebanon be allowed to seek help too?
I also just saw how Bush and Putin got all comfy-cosy in a pre-G8 meeting between the two presidents. Interesting, how Bush can be all comfy with Putin, basically a dictator, who has killed all non-state owned media outlets, and has silenced various people by throwing them into jail (esp. the big oil oligarg; I forgot his name).
The world is a fcuked up place.
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I just listened to former Dutch Secretary of Foreign Affairs Hans van den Broek, about the current situation in the Middle East. I was amazed at how clear he brought the entire conflict back to its elemental core: Israel is illegally occupying Palestine territory.
He also said that the international community should stop being so overly supportive for Israel, and start applying pressure to not only the Arab countries, but also Israel. He said he was appaled at how the EU and the US applied little to no pressure on Israel to comply with the various UN Security Counsil resolutions.
I am thrilled to know that this same man today had a conversation with our current Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Ben Bot. Let’s hope the EU finally stops being Israel and the US’ lapdog, and starts acting accoprding to what it is: the 2nd biggest economical and militairy force in the world. We Europeans are too humble.
My personal solution would be to recognise neither Israel, nor Palestine, nor the surrounding Arab nations supporting terrorist activity against Israel, as sovereign states, until both parties fully comply with UN resolutions. Trade and other economical activity should be brought to a bare minimum of food and medicinal supplies until complience has been met.
Oh how I may dream. As long as the EU sucks Bush’s dick, none of the above will happen. Sigh.
Israel is illegally occupying Palestine territory.
Eh…. how do you figure?? Israelis have been in that area for thousands of years, and a recognized state for about 60. Palestineans have tried to occupy Israel for a small fraction of that time. Here’s a little joke for you to illustrate:
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The Israeli Ambassador at the U.N. began, “Ladies and gentlemen before I commence with my speech, I want to relay an old Passover story to all of you …
“When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert. The people became thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts’ content.
“Moses wished to cleanse his whole body, so he went over to the other side of the pond, took all of his clothes off and dove into the cool waters. Only when Moses came out of the water, he discovered that all his clothes had been stolen. ‘And,’ he said, ‘I have reasons to believe that the Palestinians stole my clothes.’”
The Palestinian delegate, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, “This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no Palestinians there at that time!”
“And with that in mind,” said the Israeli Ambassador, “let me now begin my speech.”
Comment by Adam S — July 15, 2006 @ 12:00 am
As I have said in the past, Israelis MUST occupy SOME of that land and SHARE with the Palestinians, because indeed, they were there first and they have history on their side to prove that. But what they should not do, is fuck everyone else around them and behave like the little kid that wants everything to be his own. Cause that’s what Israel’s doing atm.
Comment by Eugenia — July 15, 2006 @ 1:10 am
History supports that Native Americans were first in North America, do you support returning all areas that they inhabited Eugenia?
Surely their claims are as valid as Israelis.
Comment by Colin — July 15, 2006 @ 2:41 am
I surely support the Native Americans to occupy any place they want in North America, yes. This doesn’t mean that they have to remove all European/African Americans from there though. Just like I don’t support Israelis killing and removing Palestinians. They will have to live TOGETHER.
Comment by Eugenia — July 15, 2006 @ 3:35 am
Yikes. The reactions here reveal people who simply don’t understand the conflict, the history, and the nature of the fighting.
The Israeli military is unique in this world because of one reason: ALL of their neighbors want them dead. The defend themselves because they have to. And they fight against many people who believe that killing is okay if it’s done for a noble reason. There are no Israeli suicide bombers. There are no Israeli acts of terror intended to kill innocent civilians. There are no hijackings by Israeli militants.
It’s very easy to live in countries where your life isn’t threatened on a daily basis and criticise and tell everyone they should “get along” or “share the land” or “live together,” but unless you’ve been there or know people who have been there, you’re just piping hot air. I KNOW Israelis and people who visit Israel. This can’t be reduced to a single sentence; it can’t be summed up in a blog entry or comment.
Comment by Adam S — July 15, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
The problem is this: when the new Israel was formed, Palestinians had been living there for centuries, maybe even millennia. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the Diaspora, they had no part in it, they did not kick the Israeli’s out, they didn’t do anything.
Then, the US and the UK decided, and rightfully so, that the Jews needed a state of their own. And obviously, the first place to look for was Israel, Palestine. The fact that Palestinians had been living there for eons was an afterthought.
Currently, Israel is occupying land that belongs to Palestinians. Palestinians do not like this. Extremist Palestinians kill little children in Israeli busses. Rightfully so, Israel responds.
How to stop this madness? I have always been raised with the notion that the strong are supposed to take care of the weak. Currently, it is the other way around. Nobody really gives a shit about the millions of Arabs in and around Israel, simply because we as the west feel obliged to blindly support Israel, all because of WWII.
I say, fuck both parties. They are both not working for peace; Israel refuses to give back the land to Palestine and let Palestinian refugees return home; the Arab side, on the other hand, continues to kill innocent civilians– which in turn leads to Israel killing innocent civilians too (50+ Libanese people, with no relation to any act of terror at all, have been killed the past few days).
I stand by my solution: “My personal solution would be to recognise neither Israel, nor Palestine, nor the surrounding Arab nations supporting terrorist activity against Israel, as sovereign states, until both parties fully comply with UN resolutions. Trade and other economical activity should be brought to a bare minimum of food and medicinal supplies until complience has been met.”
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And Adam, forget the Toraa and the Bible. Nice books, but they are NOT a way to determine what land belongs to whom. It’s a book; I know they are more than just books to religious folk, but they mean nothing, legally.
Other than that, let’s say I get up out of my seat in the bus. Three years later, I can see that same bus arriving at my stop, by checking its license plate. All seats are taken; do I have the right to kick out the person sitting on the seat I sat on three years ago?
Comment by Administrator — July 15, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
You gotta be the dumbest person I have ever seen… you must be a comunist, gay, drugged windows user…
Comment by Rick — July 15, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
I am not communist, I am not drugged, I am not gay, and I am not a Windows user. That makes four errors in one sentence.
The dumb part; now that is debatable.
Comment by Administrator — July 15, 2006 @ 8:11 pm
Other than that, let’s say I get up out of my seat in the bus. Three years later, I can see that same bus arriving at my stop, by checking its license plate. All seats are taken; do I have the right to kick out the person sitting on the seat I sat on three years ago?
This isn’t an accurate analogy. You’re misinformed.
You think that Israelis (not Jews — Israelis) are somehow to blame for the fact that they are attacked daily on their homeland (as dictated by the UN).
I think you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I have known people who served in the Israeli military. The Israelis are all to happy to give SOME land away if it meant an end to the conflict. Actually, they’ve done just that before. The reason the world feels little sympathy for the Arabs in that region is because many of them don’t just want the land, they want the Israelis dead. That’s not a sympathetic position.
On top of that, we have people all over the world chastisting generations of peopls and trying to depict the situation as though it can be simplified and explained in a 200 word blog post.
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Comment by Adam S — July 16, 2006 @ 2:24 am
You are biased. You depict Israel as the innocent victim, and all Palestinians as bloodthirsty terrorists.
- Israel has failed to comply with a whole buttload of UN resolutions.
- Israel has not signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. As of this, they are in fact not allowed to receive financial/material aid by the US, as the US law forbids this. Yet, Israel receives more aid from the US than Africa and the Carribean put together.
- Israel has even attacked the United States, after an NSA ship caught the Israeli military committing warcrimes (just Google “USS Liberty”) during the 6 Day War.
Etc.
Now, the Palestinians aren’t all bloodthristy killers either. Most of them just want an ordinary, peaceful life like we do.
Israel is only breeding new terrorists by instead of killing the terrorists, killing civilians. Best example: Lebanon, currently. Hezbollah is in the south, yet the entire country is being bombed. 100 Innocent lives have already been lost in a few days.
That does not seem like a country that is an innocent victim to me.
Comment by Administrator — July 16, 2006 @ 7:16 am
I agree that many US citizens can be biased towards Israel, but that’s because there are many jews/Israelis in this country and that can create a skewed reality — even if it’s done unitentionally. The media, like CNN, can’t report the whole truth either.
The point of the matter is, the middle east is a chaos. Both parties just hate eachother and they don’t want to see peace. The normal people might want to see peace, but the officials, organizations, priests and others, don’t. They don’t want to see a UN resolution. They want to exterminate each other. Generations are brought up preaching how bad the other side is. So no, peace can’t work under these circumstances. The UN and US must move their armies there and IMPOSE a generally-accepted-as-fair resolution, they like it or not. But US is backing Israel blindly, and UN/NATO doesn’t have such power without the backing of the US.
Comment by Eugenia — July 16, 2006 @ 7:58 pm
I agree that many US citizens can be biased towards Israel, but that’s because there are many jews/Israelis in this country and that can create a skewed reality
Wow. Are there no Arabs this country? Are there no Lebanese people or other Middle Easterners? That’s bullshit. That’s an anti-semite’s defense - it’s the Jews’ fault, even just by their presence.
This is the enemy Israel fights.
But you two are right. It’s probably mostly Israel’s fault. [/sarcasm]
Comment by Adam — July 18, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Adam, the Jewsih lobby in the United States is EXTREMELY influential. There is nothing anti-Semite about stating the bloody obvious. This lobby ensures the unconditional support from the US for Israel.
This is the enemy Israel fights.
Right. And this is the enemy the Arabs are fighting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5184134.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5190746.stm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
Etc.
You see, Adam, Israel is ANYTHING but an innocent victim. The only innocent victims here are normal Israeli AND Arab people like me and you, who do not want this stupid fighting- who jsut want to live their daily lives withot the fear of bombs and whatever.
Israel has staged a full-blown attack on Lebanon, its government, and its people, bombing the ENTIRE country, even though Hezbollah only resides in the south. Can you explain that to me? Has Lebanon declared war upon Israel?
As far as I’m concerned, it is currently the other way around. And luckily, many people in this country and in the rest of Europe agree with me. Most people I have talked to or seen on TV/read about in newspapers agree wholehaerdetly that Israel’s response to the three captive soldiers is completely out of proportion.
As I said, I condemn both parties. Both are not working hard enough for peace– the Arabs because they have this weird ideological crap, and Israel because peace would stifle the flow of military equipement and financial aid from the US. However, as I also said, I have been raised with the notion that the strong (as in we, the West) should take care fo the weak (as in, the Palestinians). Currently, it is the other way around, and I find that unfair. Both parties should be held accountable for the crap situation over there. And as long as both parties are not 100% compliant with the UN, as long as both parties are not 100% willing to go the peace route– I say, fcuk ‘m. I am ashamed that my nation’s government is supporting an apartheid regime.
But, go ahead, keep on claiming that everyone who dares to criticise Israel is an anti-Semite. That will really help solve this conflict. You know what this reminds me of?
Kelly McNeil.
Comment by Administrator — July 18, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
>That’s an anti-semite’s defense - it’s the Jews’ fault, even just by their presence.
Adam, you are talking bullshit and you are getting on my nerves. This is not an anti-semite comment, and I am not an anti-semite. I know a number of jews and some of them are good friends of mine and I love them dearly.
But point of the matter is, jews have many good positions in the army/state-department/you-name-it and they RUN or INFLUENSE a major part of this country. You won’t see many Arabs working for NSA or CIA, even if they ARE Arabs in this country too (as you pointed out). But they are usually behind a macdonalds kitchen instead.
And that’s just REALITY. There is nothing anti-semitic about it.
Comment by Eugenia — July 18, 2006 @ 11:13 pm