Comments on: This IE7 thing is simply a mess http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/ I'm a mere, tiny, insignificant cog in a whole clockwork of stupidity. I'm the tiny cog that wants to break free. Seriously. Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:38:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Stanley Krute http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1398 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:45:52 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1398 The UI is indeed a disaster. Vista shmista. Normal folks want to see that menubar. My clients have ALL -- e.g. 100% -- asked me to roll their machines back to IE6. NOT A SINGLE ONE of them likes the new UI. Peter Principle must've been working overtime at MS to get the proper UI folks into position to make this one so execrable. -- stan The UI is indeed a disaster.

Vista shmista. Normal folks want to see that menubar.

My clients have ALL — e.g. 100% — asked me to roll their machines back to IE6. NOT A SINGLE ONE of them likes the new UI.

Peter Principle must’ve been working overtime at MS to get the proper UI folks into position to make this one so execrable.

— stan

]]> by: Administrator http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1182 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:23:24 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1182 Let's save my problems with tabbed browsing for another blog post/OSNews article, ok? Let’s save my problems with tabbed browsing for another blog post/OSNews article, ok?

]]> by: Nick http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1181 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:46:49 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1181 I hate tabbed browsing also. I understand a lot of people like it and I'm cool with that, everyone has a right to their opinion. As for why 'us people' don't like it I'm not sure I speak for anyone else but really it offers NOTHING to me that a simple open new window in background option wouldn't also offer. However using tabs instead of multiple instances negates the ability to view two or more windows at once. Sure you can ALSO have multiple windows WITH tabs but then what's the point of the tab again? It is nice to be able to click on a link and have it open in the background, but again that could just as easily be done with instances instead of tabs without losing the ability to view pages side by side or multiple pages tiled, etc. I guess if you work on lower resolutions this isn't much of a deal but on a high res desktop like mine tabs are just an annoyance. I have plenty of room for other windows and maximizing any one page just looks silly (LOTS of empty space). I'm not saying tabs never have a use but at present I do think they are highly over used. I hate tabbed browsing also. I understand a lot of people like it and I’m cool with that, everyone has a right to their opinion. As for why ‘us people’ don’t like it I’m not sure I speak for anyone else but really it offers NOTHING to me that a simple open new window in background option wouldn’t also offer. However using tabs instead of multiple instances negates the ability to view two or more windows at once. Sure you can ALSO have multiple windows WITH tabs but then what’s the point of the tab again? It is nice to be able to click on a link and have it open in the background, but again that could just as easily be done with instances instead of tabs without losing the ability to view pages side by side or multiple pages tiled, etc. I guess if you work on lower resolutions this isn’t much of a deal but on a high res desktop like mine tabs are just an annoyance. I have plenty of room for other windows and maximizing any one page just looks silly (LOTS of empty space). I’m not saying tabs never have a use but at present I do think they are highly over used.

]]> by: joe http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1180 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:53:00 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1180 you hate tabbed browsing? It would be nice to know your reasons becuase I've never understood 'those people' ;) 1) You like every link opening up in a new window? (insanity) So then I'll assume you like sticking everything and only conentrating on a single window? Honestly, it makes me 300x more productive at time-wasting, so I dunno how you can live without them. Have been using it for years on Opera and it really made too much sense years ago, and still does now, IMO. you hate tabbed browsing? It would be nice to know your reasons becuase I’ve never understood ‘those people’ ;)

1) You like every link opening up in a new window? (insanity)

So then I’ll assume you like sticking everything and only conentrating on a single window? Honestly, it makes me 300x more productive at time-wasting, so I dunno how you can live without them. Have been using it for years on Opera and it really made too much sense years ago, and still does now, IMO.

]]> by: Anonymous Coward http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1179 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:09:49 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1179 I couldn't agree with you more outside of the tabbed browsing. Microsoft CLEARLY has hired a top notch team of 13 year-olds to design the new UI--they just forgot to add the pink ponies background. I couldn’t agree with you more outside of the tabbed browsing. Microsoft CLEARLY has hired a top notch team of 13 year-olds to design the new UI–they just forgot to add the pink ponies background.

]]> by: Andy http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1178 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:01:11 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1178 If you have notes on why tabs are bad, put it as a link to your right hand icon. Personally, I don't understand why tabs are bad. Right now, I'm using 4 browser windows with from 10-30 tabs each. When I close the browser, the tabs are saved. Load it up again, and everything is in place. Killing off groups of tabs is easy, too, so when I'm done researching an issue I just close the window. It's not manageable to do anything like that using single windows and a task bar. If you have notes on why tabs are bad, put it as a link to your right hand icon.

Personally, I don’t understand why tabs are bad.

Right now, I’m using 4 browser windows with from 10-30 tabs each. When I close the browser, the tabs are saved. Load it up again, and everything is in place. Killing off groups of tabs is easy, too, so when I’m done researching an issue I just close the window.

It’s not manageable to do anything like that using single windows and a task bar.

]]> by: Phil http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1176 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:57:50 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1176 When you comment on the UI I may question your opinion, but when you say you hate tabbed browsing I have to question your sanity ... When you comment on the UI I may question your opinion, but when you say you hate tabbed browsing I have to question your sanity …

]]> by: James McBane http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1175 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:06:19 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1175 How on earth can you hate tabbed browsing? What could IE7 possibly offer over IE6 if you don't like tabbed browsing? How on earth can you hate tabbed browsing? What could IE7 possibly offer over IE6 if you don’t like tabbed browsing?

]]> by: Administrator http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1174 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:21:26 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1174 <i>What you have moaned and bitched about isn’t usability but personal opinion based on nothing more than, “oh, its not what I’m used to”.</i> Ah, the common excuse for people having trouble with fcuked up UIs. It is common sense to have the important parts of your window located as much to the center (window content, the webpage in this case) as possible, since that way looking at and using those parts requires the smallest eye and mousemovement. In IE7, they completely disregard this obvious and simple thing, only for the sake of "being different", because there is no other sane rationale to be found in this new UI. A new UI is only good if it doesn't require adaption. Take the Ribbon for instance in Office 2007; completely different, new, and fresh; yet it requires NO adaption at all, it is usable from the first second, and it requires no extra getting used to or whatever. THAT constitutes a good new UI. What you have moaned and bitched about isn’t usability but personal opinion based on nothing more than, “oh, its not what I’m used to”.

Ah, the common excuse for people having trouble with fcuked up UIs.

It is common sense to have the important parts of your window located as much to the center (window content, the webpage in this case) as possible, since that way looking at and using those parts requires the smallest eye and mousemovement. In IE7, they completely disregard this obvious and simple thing, only for the sake of “being different”, because there is no other sane rationale to be found in this new UI.

A new UI is only good if it doesn’t require adaption. Take the Ribbon for instance in Office 2007; completely different, new, and fresh; yet it requires NO adaption at all, it is usable from the first second, and it requires no extra getting used to or whatever. THAT constitutes a good new UI.

]]> by: dreas http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1172 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:37:51 +0100 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2006/10/18/this-ie7-thing-is-simply-a-mess/#comment-1172 As much as I like Firefox overall, as much do I hate its memory leaks. It's a mess. IE7 looks like it's a major improvement over IE6, especially when it comes to CSS. Great to see IE7 finally can handle PNG's accordingly it seems. Dunno, might switch back to IE with IE7 now. Or I better check out Opera or some other browser. Didn't like Opera in the past. Btw, I think tabs are the best thing since sliced bread, I am a mass tab user by heart. I can't understand how someone can hate tabs. It's like hating the CTRL+C/CTRL+V combo. As much as I like Firefox overall, as much do I hate its memory leaks. It’s a mess.

IE7 looks like it’s a major improvement over IE6, especially when it comes to CSS. Great to see IE7 finally can handle PNG’s accordingly it seems.

Dunno, might switch back to IE with IE7 now. Or I better check out Opera or some other browser. Didn’t like Opera in the past.

Btw, I think tabs are the best thing since sliced bread, I am a mass tab user by heart. I can’t understand how someone can hate tabs. It’s like hating the CTRL+C/CTRL+V combo.

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