I’m not european either, I’m a Dane. And definitely not a Dutchman, though we share many values of obvious reasons (mostly due to close co-existence through uncounted centuries).

I’m worried though about european majority being agaist same-sex marriage, as the right to marriage (og registered partnership) is something I’d consider a human right.

I have often met this “you’re all Europeans”-mentality, which is problematic since there is no Europe, considered as a nation and a state.

True, Americans don’t often understand Europeans. But don’t make the mistake of thinking we Europeans have Americans weighed off, either.

After all, as a Brit, I find it next to impossible to understand a Republican, or a Texan ;-)

Seriously, even if there were a United States of Europe, it is *highly* unlikely that the dividing line between national and continental interests would be the same as the dividing line between national and state interests.

Indeed, it already isn’t.

I also find it highly unlikely that “a majority of Europeans don’t want to see same sex marriages”. If a Catholic country like Spain can do it, why not the rest of us?

To be precise it should have been “simply because a majority of the people they asked don’t care for things like this”. You’ll find people like that everywhere.

From time to time in Germany people who wanna activate a certain group of people have questions like that about foreign people. Someone with a brain would not bother to talk to them, only retarded fascists and the like express their dislike.

Those public question thingies are always about pushing an agenda, they have absolutely nothing to do with what people generally think.

Apart from that the whole “Europeans are bad but [insert own country here]” thing gets pretty boring (In Germany people use the same kind of argumentation whenever it comes in handy).

The concept of national states is so last millennium, it’s not even funny. A state or “nation” is just a random set of people that are (for some retarded reason) told that they are so different from the rest. Mankind should long be past that.

I have a German passport (one of the reasons is that I could not even return it if I wanted to), but I have no so-called “nation”. That is one of the things that living in a post-fascistic society can teach you.

Well, forgive me when I say, as an European who’s not Dutch, that speak for yourself, sir Dutchman, and let us be. I assure you, we don’t want to have anything to do with you either.

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I guess you missed that one … What are you going to do now ?

Thom the European Dutchman …

Sorry to burst your Bubble , and those who think they said no , most of Europe is already part of the EU , its not a cultural division or geographical division but a Political and commercial division , its not there to change the country laws its there for protectionism and bigger representation against the USA and China and probably India down the road in the global market.

Your letting yourself be scared by the newspapers agenda and the people who fear changes. Your study as probably a 95% margins of errors.

Also…
Today, in the newspaper, a study revealed that the majoirty of Europeans are against same-sex marriage, liberal drug laws, euthanasia, and more of those typically Dutch things, things we Dutch hold in high regard. Hence, were we Dutch part of some United States of Europe, we’d lose everything we value (equality, true freedom of the individual, regardless of sexual orientation, right to decide over one’s own life), simply because a majority of the Europeans don’t care for things like this.
You do realize that neither the CDA nor the Christen-Unie are into most of those ‘typical Dutch things’ you claim ‘we Dutch hold in high regard’ (CDA moderately against ‘em, CU totally against ‘em)? Considering they’re 2 out of the 3 parties that are currently talking about forming a coalition, I’d say you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

Perhaps it’s extending the rights in YOUR contry, but in mine (France), it just sucks so much.

That’s why France say no to this piece of crap.