Comments on: About being Dutch http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/ I'm feeling pretty good about myself right about now. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:46:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Stephen B. http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3328 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:09:35 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3328 <blockquote>About being American… We all love our country and think it’s the greatest country on earth</blockquote> America is also just about the only nation where people manage to convince themselves that they live in the greatest country on earth - without ever having actually set foot in any other country.

About being American…

We all love our country and think it’s the greatest country on earth

America is also just about the only nation where people manage to convince themselves that they live in the greatest country on earth - without ever having actually set foot in any other country.

]]> by: abraxas http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3320 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:33:06 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3320 About being American... We all love our country and think it's the greatest country on earth but half of us think it's going to hell in a hand basket and the other half think things are only going to get better. Everyone has experienced both views at different times depending on the political party in power and their political affiliations. About being American…

We all love our country and think it’s the greatest country on earth but half of us think it’s going to hell in a hand basket and the other half think things are only going to get better. Everyone has experienced both views at different times depending on the political party in power and their political affiliations.

]]> by: Stephen B. http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3319 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:07:35 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3319 <blockquote>Irvine Welsh is being ironic. Danny Boyle also completely screwed with the story and characters. The original book leaves you thinking something very different. </blockquote> Are you joking? First of all, I never got the impression that Welsh was being ironic - he *is* pretty damn'd cynical about Scottish patriotism. Secondly, other than <i>Fight Club</i>, I can't think of a more faithful film translation of a novel (and I say this as a former Irvine Welsh obsess-ee, having read just about everything he's ever published). The only real differences I can remember is that Renton is a redhead in the novel, and Boyle didn't include the part where Renton gets inebriated and hits on his teenage cousin at a wake.

Irvine Welsh is being ironic. Danny Boyle also completely screwed with the story and characters. The original book leaves you thinking something very different.

Are you joking? First of all, I never got the impression that Welsh was being ironic - he *is* pretty damn’d cynical about Scottish patriotism.

Secondly, other than Fight Club, I can’t think of a more faithful film translation of a novel (and I say this as a former Irvine Welsh obsess-ee, having read just about everything he’s ever published).

The only real differences I can remember is that Renton is a redhead in the novel, and Boyle didn’t include the part where Renton gets inebriated and hits on his teenage cousin at a wake.

]]> by: capricornus http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3315 Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:26:45 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3315 We’re very tolerant. Towards people who look, speak, and behave exactly like us. Or who have lots of money. Let's split that in parts. The people that look exactly like us: the Vikings, the AngloSaxons, the forefathers of the Hollandish Arrogant Giants. The people that speak exactly like us: of course, otherwise the Dutch will never be able to understand you, because they only speak their own dialect of Dutch. The people that behave exactly like us: the Vikings, the AngloSaxons and no other people. The Germans and Flemish that look like them don't speak exactly like them, so they are not tolerated. They are regarded as inferior. Or those who have a lot of money: that is typically Hollandish. Always has been. Will always be so. Corrupt Hollandish. We’re very tolerant. Towards people who look, speak, and behave exactly like us. Or who have lots of money.

Let’s split that in parts.

The people that look exactly like us: the Vikings, the AngloSaxons, the forefathers of the Hollandish Arrogant Giants.

The people that speak exactly like us: of course, otherwise the Dutch will never be able to understand you, because they only speak their own dialect of Dutch.

The people that behave exactly like us: the Vikings, the AngloSaxons and no other people. The Germans and Flemish that look like them don’t speak exactly like them, so they are not tolerated. They are regarded as inferior.

Or those who have a lot of money: that is typically Hollandish. Always has been. Will always be so. Corrupt Hollandish.

]]> by: Eugenia http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3314 Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:36:46 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3314 &gt;Irvine Welsh is being ironic. Nope, he's just being controversial. He's not ironic, or using a metaphor, at all. It's just his angry side of him, seen through the eyes of an angry/sad guy. >Irvine Welsh is being ironic.

Nope, he’s just being controversial. He’s not ironic, or using a metaphor, at all. It’s just his angry side of him, seen through the eyes of an angry/sad guy.

]]> by: not_so_quick_punk http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3313 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:35:19 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3313 I've lived in Holland, too many Dutch people are anti-buitenlander which is niet zo gezellig, including definitely couldnt be a terrorist in a million years kind of buitenlanders, especially the German buitenlanders, which us other buitenlanders would say is splitting hairs somewhat, whats that line in your national anthem about a motherland, it escapes me and Intellectual bigotry is still bigotry, bigotry is anti-intellectual. You have a nice culture, and on the whole are nice people. I’ve lived in Holland, too many Dutch people are anti-buitenlander which is niet zo gezellig, including definitely couldnt be a terrorist in a million years kind of buitenlanders, especially the German buitenlanders, which us other buitenlanders would say is splitting hairs somewhat, whats that line in your national anthem about a motherland, it escapes me and Intellectual bigotry is still bigotry, bigotry is anti-intellectual. You have a nice culture, and on the whole are nice people.

]]> by: memsom http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3312 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:53:41 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3312 Eugenia is taking the Scottish quote way out of context. Renton is meant to be a ex-Heroin addict with little or no future prospects at that point in the film. Irvine Welsh is being ironic. Danny Boyle also completely screwed with the story and characters. The original book leaves you thinking something very different. Eugenia is taking the Scottish quote way out of context. Renton is meant to be a ex-Heroin addict with little or no future prospects at that point in the film. Irvine Welsh is being ironic. Danny Boyle also completely screwed with the story and characters. The original book leaves you thinking something very different.

]]> by: l3v1 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3311 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:22:26 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3311 Hehh, so I guess most people on this planet are Dutch :) Hehh, so I guess most people on this planet are Dutch :)

]]> by: maarten ornstein http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3309 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:25:53 +0000 http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/13/about-being-dutch/#comment-3309 so true! so true!

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