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		<title>by: Kim</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3504</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Kim</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3503</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Scifi is supposed to be about SMART people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thats not true. Scifi is about speculations based on current and future science and/or technology. When you watch other movies, TV shows, and read books of this nature, you find advance people who are still have human nature. There is a difference between &quot;smart people&quot; and &quot;wise people&quot;. 

Put your self in the people of Galactica's shoes. From the beginning, many people had come out and said that they do not believe in the Gods/God. However as time goes forth the strain on their physical bodies and minds (little happy moment, betrayal, death, more death, more betrayal, little happy moment, cylons just destroyed the ship next to yours, etc.) has lead them to want to believe in something that is permeant, while their lives are not.

I understand your view point because I am also disappointed in the show's finale and I am an atheist. If they had more time to spread things out, instead of covering everyone with a lot of religious ideals in just 2 hours, I think everyone would have been happier and more understanding of the show. There is a growing percentage of people who do not believe in religion. Some can be attributed to people throwing their beliefs at you without your consent. Unfortunately, thats what the finale felt to me.

However, religion is not stupid. People have the right to believe in something, just as you have the right to not believe in something. People who have religion (and I mean no offense to anyone) need something to protect themselves with, like a blanket. This blanket can shield their minds from the many aspects of life. If a person's mother dies, that person is happy to believe that their mother is also happy. If an earthquake happens, it's a sign from God to change something about yourself that you might not have thought of doing before. With Galactica, people were able to take comfort knowing that their Gods, their blankets, were still with them. Baltar found himself needing something in the end. He never claimed that he was God or fully believed in God, but he was able to find faith in himself, which lead to others following him and want a piece of his &quot;blanket&quot;.

My point being: People who are religious are NOT stupid. People who have advanced technology, science, and how we lived to day were/are religious. Did the new BSG have a lot of religion? Yes. Did the old BSG, of which I believe you never watched, have a lot of religion? Yes. To this extent? No, but that was the director's call. Just as it will be for the up coming ST movie that will piss a lot of people off (or already is...). Directors and people who create shows only do it to please one person: themselves. Other people can find they like/dislike it but it was not created for you. You should not be taking this much offense, it was not meant to be yours nor the Lee/Kara shippers (who are all planning mass murder at the moment). Do what I am going to do; buy/rent the show, watch it from the beginning, and ignore/don't watch/whatever to the final episode.

Sigh. It was more amusing when old BSG got to earth. Ah the good old days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Scifi is supposed to be about SMART people.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Thats not true. Scifi is about speculations based on current and future science and/or technology. When you watch other movies, TV shows, and read books of this nature, you find advance people who are still have human nature. There is a difference between &#8220;smart people&#8221; and &#8220;wise people&#8221;. </p>
	<p>Put your self in the people of Galactica&#8217;s shoes. From the beginning, many people had come out and said that they do not believe in the Gods/God. However as time goes forth the strain on their physical bodies and minds (little happy moment, betrayal, death, more death, more betrayal, little happy moment, cylons just destroyed the ship next to yours, etc.) has lead them to want to believe in something that is permeant, while their lives are not.</p>
	<p>I understand your view point because I am also disappointed in the show&#8217;s finale and I am an atheist. If they had more time to spread things out, instead of covering everyone with a lot of religious ideals in just 2 hours, I think everyone would have been happier and more understanding of the show. There is a growing percentage of people who do not believe in religion. Some can be attributed to people throwing their beliefs at you without your consent. Unfortunately, thats what the finale felt to me.</p>
	<p>However, religion is not stupid. People have the right to believe in something, just as you have the right to not believe in something. People who have religion (and I mean no offense to anyone) need something to protect themselves with, like a blanket. This blanket can shield their minds from the many aspects of life. If a person&#8217;s mother dies, that person is happy to believe that their mother is also happy. If an earthquake happens, it&#8217;s a sign from God to change something about yourself that you might not have thought of doing before. With Galactica, people were able to take comfort knowing that their Gods, their blankets, were still with them. Baltar found himself needing something in the end. He never claimed that he was God or fully believed in God, but he was able to find faith in himself, which lead to others following him and want a piece of his &#8220;blanket&#8221;.</p>
	<p>My point being: People who are religious are NOT stupid. People who have advanced technology, science, and how we lived to day were/are religious. Did the new BSG have a lot of religion? Yes. Did the old BSG, of which I believe you never watched, have a lot of religion? Yes. To this extent? No, but that was the director&#8217;s call. Just as it will be for the up coming ST movie that will piss a lot of people off (or already is&#8230;). Directors and people who create shows only do it to please one person: themselves. Other people can find they like/dislike it but it was not created for you. You should not be taking this much offense, it was not meant to be yours nor the Lee/Kara shippers (who are all planning mass murder at the moment). Do what I am going to do; buy/rent the show, watch it from the beginning, and ignore/don&#8217;t watch/whatever to the final episode.</p>
	<p>Sigh. It was more amusing when old BSG got to earth. Ah the good old days.
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		<title>by: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3501</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You don't understand my point either though. If the BSG people were interpreting that being as God, then they deserved to all die along the rest 50 billion people who did. Because I would be watching and investing in a story for 4 years, story that contained people who were STUPID. They had interstellar capabilities, and yet, they were still stupid. I can't have stupid people in my scifi entertainment. Scifi is supposed to be about SMART people.

Not even having Baltar -- a scientist for God's sake --  trying to find the truth about what these beings really are, it's just a disgrace to scifi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You don&#8217;t understand my point either though. If the BSG people were interpreting that being as God, then they deserved to all die along the rest 50 billion people who did. Because I would be watching and investing in a story for 4 years, story that contained people who were STUPID. They had interstellar capabilities, and yet, they were still stupid. I can&#8217;t have stupid people in my scifi entertainment. Scifi is supposed to be about SMART people.</p>
	<p>Not even having Baltar &#8212; a scientist for God&#8217;s sake &#8212;  trying to find the truth about what these beings really are, it&#8217;s just a disgrace to scifi.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3500</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have been trying to tell you for a few comments now that BSG is only about god because we interpret it as such. Is the spider/ant analogy really that difficult to understand? If so, let me come up with another one.

Say that we invented time travel tomorrow, and that we travel to a time when we were still living in caves. We would have computers with us, advanced technology, weapons, you name it. How would the cavemen react? How would they most likely perceive us?

Exactly. As gods. That doesn't make us gods, though.

Now imagine that we were visited by people 200000 years from the future. They probably left the constraints of the human body behind long ago, and come with technology that we couldn't even begin to fathom. How would we react? How would we perceive them?

Exactly. As gods. That doesn't make them gods, though.

Is a lightbulb starting to flicker by now? I'm not saying he BSG &quot;god&quot; and &quot;angels&quot; are mighty spacemen from the future - all I'm saying is that a being like the one in BSG is far beyond our comprehension, and the easiest way to describe it would be &quot;god&quot; - however, that doesn't make it one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have been trying to tell you for a few comments now that BSG is only about god because we interpret it as such. Is the spider/ant analogy really that difficult to understand? If so, let me come up with another one.</p>
	<p>Say that we invented time travel tomorrow, and that we travel to a time when we were still living in caves. We would have computers with us, advanced technology, weapons, you name it. How would the cavemen react? How would they most likely perceive us?</p>
	<p>Exactly. As gods. That doesn&#8217;t make us gods, though.</p>
	<p>Now imagine that we were visited by people 200000 years from the future. They probably left the constraints of the human body behind long ago, and come with technology that we couldn&#8217;t even begin to fathom. How would we react? How would we perceive them?</p>
	<p>Exactly. As gods. That doesn&#8217;t make them gods, though.</p>
	<p>Is a lightbulb starting to flicker by now? I&#8217;m not saying he BSG &#8220;god&#8221; and &#8220;angels&#8221; are mighty spacemen from the future - all I&#8217;m saying is that a being like the one in BSG is far beyond our comprehension, and the easiest way to describe it would be &#8220;god&#8221; - however, that doesn&#8217;t make it one.
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		<title>by: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3499</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I guess you can say I have a prejudice against religion, and I definitely doesn't like it in my entertainment -- especially when that entertainment is science fiction-based.</description>
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		<title>by: David Adams</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3498</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Ripping off the Bible&quot; is actually an ironic idea.  When Glen Larson originally conceived of the original BSG, he called it &quot;Adama's Ark&quot; and the whole idea was that Galactica was like Noah's ark carrying the last vestiges of humanity.  This kind of out-and-out allegory didn't make it into either series, but it's interesting that some people would bristle at the religion aspect.  Hey, guess what?  Sometimes I watch &quot;medium&quot; with my wife, and even though I don't believe in psychic powers, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Ripping off the Bible&#8221; is actually an ironic idea.  When Glen Larson originally conceived of the original BSG, he called it &#8220;Adama&#8217;s Ark&#8221; and the whole idea was that Galactica was like Noah&#8217;s ark carrying the last vestiges of humanity.  This kind of out-and-out allegory didn&#8217;t make it into either series, but it&#8217;s interesting that some people would bristle at the religion aspect.  Hey, guess what?  Sometimes I watch &#8220;medium&#8221; with my wife, and even though I don&#8217;t believe in psychic powers, it doesn&#8217;t detract from my enjoyment of the show.
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		<title>by: memsom</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3497</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Firstly, Glen A Larson peppered the original BSG with religion. With Larson it was all LDS, butitisstill there. 

Secondly,in the last scene, angel Caprica 6 corrects angel Baltar by retorting &quot;you know he hates being refered to as God&quot; - or words to that effect. 

Thirdly, higher beings was the answer in the original series. Doingot again would hardly have been original!!

Finally, the sution totally tiesin withthevoice over from the beginning of TOS. &quot;couldhave been the ancestors of the egyptians or toltecs or the....&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Firstly, Glen A Larson peppered the original BSG with religion. With Larson it was all LDS, butitisstill there. </p>
	<p>Secondly,in the last scene, angel Caprica 6 corrects angel Baltar by retorting &#8220;you know he hates being refered to as God&#8221; - or words to that effect. </p>
	<p>Thirdly, higher beings was the answer in the original series. Doingot again would hardly have been original!!</p>
	<p>Finally, the sution totally tiesin withthevoice over from the beginning of TOS. &#8220;couldhave been the ancestors of the egyptians or toltecs or the&#8230;.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3492</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;interpretation WE as humans attached to it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't. It doesn't represent me. Plain and simple. And yes, there's a difference between using technobabble (in a science fiction show nonetheless), and using traditional age-old bullshit. If I wanted to watch something with angels and Gods, I would just watch a religious show. There are a lot of them after 3 AM on cable. I have a prejudice against religion, so anything that portrays a being as a &quot;real&quot; God, I have a problem with it. It doesn't fit in my world view, and it definitely doesn't fit in my ENTERTAINMENT.

You know how this feels for me? Let me tell you: this feels like I have been in a car accident, and while I sit on my couch with broken bones, someone tells me &quot;here, here, Eugenia! Here's some entertainment for you! I brought you some cool DVDs to watch while you're all broken up: formula 1 rallies!&quot;

Fuck that!

And no, Star Trek's Q (that you mention in your new blog post), was not a God. He WANTED to be seen as a God, but Picard told him to go screw himself. This is exactly what the BSG characters should have done too. Instead, they succumbed to his will. That's the difference between BSG's God (where the heroes eventually become believers of a &quot;God&quot;), and the Q (who essentially becomes the laugh of the town and his true self is revealed as simply another species).

For you, they might not be different. But for me, they are. Religion has no place in my entertainment. Especially that Abrahamist/technophobe bullshit that RDM sold us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>interpretation WE as humans attached to it</p></blockquote>
	<p>I don&#8217;t. It doesn&#8217;t represent me. Plain and simple. And yes, there&#8217;s a difference between using technobabble (in a science fiction show nonetheless), and using traditional age-old bullshit. If I wanted to watch something with angels and Gods, I would just watch a religious show. There are a lot of them after 3 AM on cable. I have a prejudice against religion, so anything that portrays a being as a &#8220;real&#8221; God, I have a problem with it. It doesn&#8217;t fit in my world view, and it definitely doesn&#8217;t fit in my ENTERTAINMENT.</p>
	<p>You know how this feels for me? Let me tell you: this feels like I have been in a car accident, and while I sit on my couch with broken bones, someone tells me &#8220;here, here, Eugenia! Here&#8217;s some entertainment for you! I brought you some cool DVDs to watch while you&#8217;re all broken up: formula 1 rallies!&#8221;</p>
	<p>Fuck that!</p>
	<p>And no, Star Trek&#8217;s Q (that you mention in your new blog post), was not a God. He WANTED to be seen as a God, but Picard told him to go screw himself. This is exactly what the BSG characters should have done too. Instead, they succumbed to his will. That&#8217;s the difference between BSG&#8217;s God (where the heroes eventually become believers of a &#8220;God&#8221;), and the Q (who essentially becomes the laugh of the town and his true self is revealed as simply another species).</p>
	<p>For you, they might not be different. But for me, they are. Religion has no place in my entertainment. Especially that Abrahamist/technophobe bullshit that RDM sold us all.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3491</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great comment, David.

&lt;blockquote&gt; It is and idea with religious overtones . . . Hindu ones.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, the hindu influences are clear all throughout the series. The song sung in the opening credits is part of a hindu hymne, the Gayatri Mantra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Great comment, David.</p>
	<blockquote><p> It is and idea with religious overtones . . . Hindu ones.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Yes, the hindu influences are clear all throughout the series. The song sung in the opening credits is part of a hindu hymne, the Gayatri Mantra.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2009/03/21/again-ii/#comment-3490</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Eugenia, no one said ANYthing about it being &quot;god&quot;. That's the interpretation WE as humans attached to it, because we don't understand it. The humans in the series did the same thing.

There is no evidence either way that the entity that governed this all is &quot;god&quot; as we understand it in the Christian/Jewish/Muslim sense - or something else altogether. It's obvious that we as humans call it &quot;god&quot;, because we actually don't understand it. The discussion we're all having underlines that point.

I present the example of the neighbour kid burning ants with a magnifying glass, or pulling out the legs of the spider. Try to position yourself in the position of the ant or the spider - do they have a clue what they're dealing with?

Now envision us humans as the ants and the spiders. There are things up there using their magnifying glass to burn us, their pliers to pull out our legs. However, because we simply can't comprehend that idea - like the ants and the spiders can't comprehend the neighbour kid - we have to describe it in away we do comprehend: a bearded guy being an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eugenia, no one said ANYthing about it being &#8220;god&#8221;. That&#8217;s the interpretation WE as humans attached to it, because we don&#8217;t understand it. The humans in the series did the same thing.</p>
	<p>There is no evidence either way that the entity that governed this all is &#8220;god&#8221; as we understand it in the Christian/Jewish/Muslim sense - or something else altogether. It&#8217;s obvious that we as humans call it &#8220;god&#8221;, because we actually don&#8217;t understand it. The discussion we&#8217;re all having underlines that point.</p>
	<p>I present the example of the neighbour kid burning ants with a magnifying glass, or pulling out the legs of the spider. Try to position yourself in the position of the ant or the spider - do they have a clue what they&#8217;re dealing with?</p>
	<p>Now envision us humans as the ants and the spiders. There are things up there using their magnifying glass to burn us, their pliers to pull out our legs. However, because we simply can&#8217;t comprehend that idea - like the ants and the spiders can&#8217;t comprehend the neighbour kid - we have to describe it in away we do comprehend: a bearded guy being an asshole.
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